Removing glued in points from carbon arrows

I recently had to swap out glued in points from a set of carbon arrows. I was going from lighter points to heavier points to weaken the arrow spine. The arrows points were set in with hot melt glue, so I knew I would have to apply a heat source to the points in order to soften the glue enough to remove them. I checked the internet for options.

I found many suggestions on the web, torch, lighters, and others, but the two methods that caught my eye were offered by Dennis Lieu, archery coach at UC Berkeley, in this article. He suggests using hot water and or a hair dryer as the heat source. This appealed to me as these heat sources seemed more benign than a fire source and I didn’t want to over do it on my first time and risk ruining perfectly good arrows.

I don’t have a hair dryer so the water method came first while I put the word out to borrow a hair dryer. Dennis Lieu’s water method is to place a cup of water in the microwave, bring it to a boil, then dip the arrows in and pull the points, re-heating the water as necessary as it cooled down.

Water boils at 212 degrees and I wondered if I could do it with less temperature. I boiled water in a kettle, and in a sturdy glass put in 1/4 of room temperature water to 3/4 boiling water, then placed my wife’s candy thermometer to see what I had.

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About 154, 155 degrees

The thermometer was reading in the mid 150’s, I placed two arrows in the water, gave them what I felt was enough time (20 – 30 seconds) and tried pulling the points with a pair of linesman pliers.

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I used an old pair of linesman pliers with adhesive cloth tape wrapped around jaws, so as to not mar arrow points.

The points pulled out fine, I flexed the arrows afterwards and visually inspected them, all seemed well.

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Meanwhile, a hair dryer had come through via a friend in town. The hair dryer was 1875 watts, which translates to plenty of heat. After getting the water temperature I was curious what temperature the hair dryer generated. I used the same thermometer and had it consistently top out at 165 to 170 degrees.

I set up out on deck for good light, and heated both the point and the first few inches of the arrow. I rotated the arrow while doing it and kept the dryer in motion to keep the heat even. I had the dryer about an inch from the shaft moving it quickly around the shaft.

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I had no issues pulling the points, as with the water method I flexed and inspected the shafts afterwards and could not detect any problems. Since then I’ve also shot these arrows and I can’t find any damage to the arrows using these methods.

The hot melt glue used in these shafts is Flitemate hot melt glue which is a low temp glue designed for carbon arrows, you may (or may not) need higher temps if you are using a regular temperature hot melt glue.

Dennis Lieu’s methods worked really well for me, it allowed me a lot of control and a mild approach to removing glued in points. In the same article he also describes his method for gluing points in with hot melt, worth a read. Find it here.

 

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Carbon Express Medallion XR’s

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Because of a recent shoulder injury I purchased a set of ultra-light 14 pound “rehab” limbs, which at my draw translates to 16 pounds on the fingers. I tend to be fussy about my arrows being well tuned to the bow, so I went in search of arrows that would work with such a light setup.

There were some challenges, one finding a high enough spine and two finding a long enough arrow, for my 29 1/4 draw. The only arrow I was able to find that would fit both these parameters was the versatile Medallion XR made by Carbon Express. Not only did they have a 2.000″ spine arrow, they had it in a 29 inch length which fit the bill perfectly.

Medallion xr shaft

The Medallion XR is an ideal target arrow for light weight draw bow setups or youth looking for a quality carbon arrow in a spine that fits them.

I’ve posted the arrow specs below:

  • Spine selection tolerance: ± 0.0025″ max.
  • Weight tolerance: ± 1.0 grains
  • Straightness: ± 0.003″
SPECIFICATIONS:

    * Bare shaft weight
Model Size Qty Grains/Inch* Spine Diameter
SHAFT
50413 2000 12 pack 5.1 2.000″ 0.176″
50414 1800 12 pack 5.3 1.800″ 0.177″
51560 1500 12 pack 5.9 1.500″ 0.183″
51561 1300 12 pack 6.4 1.300″ 0.188″
50403 1100 12 pack 4.6 1.100″ 0.224″
50404 1000 12 pack 4.9 1.000″ 0.226″
50405 900 12 pack 5.2 0.900″ 0.228″
50406 800 12 pack 5.6 0.800″ 0.230″
50407 700 12 pack 6.0 0.700″ 0.233″
50408 600 12 pack 6.7 0.600″ 0.239″
50415 500 12 pack 7.6 0.500″ 0.244″

Carbon Express has also updated their arrow charts and added a Light Recurve Target Arrow Chart which is a good starting point in figuring out the right shaft for your setup.

Pin nocks

A few things to keep in mind about these arrows are the accessories. These arrows take glue in points, pin nock adapters and pin nocks. The pin nocks adapters come with the shafts. Depending on the size shafts you purchase there are different points. All of them allow you to adjust the weight of the tip. See Carbon Express’ Component chart below:

Name Model# Arrow Size Weight Qty
ADAPTERS
Medallion™-XR Pin Nock Adapter 50410 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, 1000, 1100 8 12 pack
Nano-Pro™ Pin Nock Adapter #2 50123 1300, 1500, 1800, 2000 6.9 12 pack
NOCKS
Soma Nock #1 (14-18 Strand Strings) Small Green 50136 Fits all standard pin nock adapters 3.4 12 pack
Soma Nock #2 (20-24 Strand Strings) Large Green 50137 Fits all standard pin nock adapters 3.4 12 pack
Soma Nock #1 (14-18 Strand Strings) Small Yellow 50138 Fits all standard pin nock adapters 3.4 12 pack
Soma Nock #2 (20-24 Strand Strings) Large Yellow 50139 Fits all standard pin nock adapters 3.4 12 pack
Soma Nock #2 (20-24 Stand Strings) Large Lime Green 50231 Fits all standard pin nock adapters 3.4 12 pack
Soma Nock #2 (20-24 Strand Strings) Large Pink 50232 Fits all standard pin nock adapters 3.4 12 pack
POINTS
Medallion™ XR Target Point 50411 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, 1000, 1100 110-60 adjustable 12 pack
Medallion™-XR Stainless Steel Target Point 50412 1300, 1500, 1800, 2000 60-40 adjustable 12 pack

On the money end I paid about $12.25 for a complete arrow to include vanes. 

In summary, I would say that these are sweet, well made, shafts, they come in a great range of spine offerings and  in long enough lengths to accommodate not only youth archers but also older blokes like me who for one reason or another are shooting lightweight bows.

C.